glaelia
01-22-2003, 12:37 AM
ok, so we know JKR has a habit of foreshadowing, but there are some things i didn't realise until the other day.......
oh dear god, i was reading POA the other day, finishing it off for like the tenth time :rolleyes: and noted something i never did before.
OH MY GOD! i can't believe i actually didn't notice it!
Pettigrew was shaking his head, mouthing noiselessly, but staring all the while at Black as though hypnotised.
'.... ready to strike the moment he could be sure of allies..... to deliver the last Potter to them. If he gave them Harry, who'd dare say he betrayed Lord Voldemort? He'd be welcomed back with honours....
The LAST Potter.... Voldemort kille James... then went for Harry. Lily died protecting him... VOldemort did not explicitly kill her... her death was a result of him trying to kill Harry.... Lily was not a Potter by blood... Harry is... Voldemort was not trying to kill just anyone, he was trying to wipe out the blood Potters.... this HAS to be an important part of the biger picture!!!!!!!! will we find out the reason voldemort wants the potters dead in ootp??? is the order of the phoenix to protect the potter dynasty??
IS Harry Griffindor's heir??? is the potter dynasty descended from griffindor?
THis would fit with Voldemort being Slytherins heir wouldn't it... the two always opposed... and now, their final showdown between the two remaining heirs....
The phoenix in the mascot of griffindor house... perhaps the OOTP was set up by Godric Gryffindor to protect his descendents from SLytherins??
and oh my goodness! look at this!
http://www.genealogyweb.com/images/rewardsample.gif
the potter family crest!
Components of the Potter Family Name Coat of Arms
The Shield is: Gold with a black cauldren.
The Crest is: Five ostrich feathers.
note the red and gold... the colours of gryffindor! the black cauldron also.... interesting don't you think?
The "Potter" family name originated in Hampshire , located in England.
The griffon (or gryphon) is a symbol of bravery and guardianship.
: A mythical bird which lives 500 years and then dies, only to be reborn in a magical fire. Rowling's variant symbolizes love or loyalty. Phoenix feathers are used as wand cores, and phoenix tears have healing powers.
http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/images/phoenix.gif
The size of an eagle, with gold plumage around the neck, a purple body, and an azure tail. The throat has a crest, and the head has a tuft of feathers. (according to Pliny)
Features The main feature of the phoenix is that it is reborn through fire: when it gets old it will make a nest (sometimes of myrrh) and set it on fire. The phoenix will be consumed in the flames, but will be reborn out of the ashes. There is only one Phoenix at a time; it lives for many years (accounts vary from 500, 540, 1000 or 1460 years.) No person has ever seen this bird eat. This legend was very common among the Egyptians, the Greek, oriental cultures, and during medieval times.
Symbolizes Might represent the sun, which dies every night and is reborn the next morning. Among classical writers, it may represent those existing in paradise, enjoying eternal youth. Among Christians, it can represent rebirth after death.
Also called Fung or Feng-Huang
(Chinese version) In this version, the bird is sent to earth to perform extraordinary works and to help the development of man. It appears in different stages of the world's progress, and then returns to heaven.
Cinomolgus- An Arabian bird that built its nests out of cinnamon in high treetops. People would try to throw rocks or shoot arrows to dislodge the nest to get the cinnamon.
Described By: Ovid, Pliny
Herodotus- "They have also another sacred bird called the phoenix which I myself have never seen, except in pictures. Indeed it is a great rarity, even in Egypt, only coming there (according to the accounts of the people of Heliopolis) once in five hundred years, when the old phoenix dies. Its size and appearance, if it is like the pictures, are as follow:- The plumage is partly red, partly golden, while the general make and size are almost exactly that of the eagle. They tell a story of what this bird does, which does not seem to me to be credible: that he comes all the way from Arabia, and brings the parent bird, all plastered over with myrrh, to the temple of the Sun, and there buries the body. In order to bring him, they say, he first forms a ball of myrrh as big as he finds that he can carry; then he hollows out the ball, and puts his parent inside, after which he covers over the opening with fresh myrrh, and the ball is then of exactly the same weight as at first; so he brings it to Egypt, plastered over as I have said, and deposits it in the temple of the Sun. Such is the story they tell of the doings of this bird." (History of Herodotus)
Tacitus- "During the consulship of Paulus Fabius and Lucius Vitellius, the bird called the phoenix, after a long succession of ages, appeared in Egypt and furnished the most learned men of that country and of Greece with abundant matter for the discussion of the marvelous phenomenon. It is my wish to make known all on which they agree with several things, questionable enough indeed, but not too absurd to be noticed. That it is a creature sacred to the sun, differing from all other birds in its beak and in the tints of its plumage, is held unanimously by those who have described its nature. As to the number of years it lives, there are various accounts. The general tradition says five hundred years. Some maintain that it is seen at intervals of fourteen hundred and sixty-one years, and that the former birds flew into the city called Heliopolis successively in the reigns of Sesostris, Amasis, and Ptolemy, the third king of the Macedonian dynasty, with a multitude of companion birds marvelling at the novelty of the appearance. But all antiquity is of course obscure. From Ptolemy to Tiberius was a period of less than five hundred years."
Mandeville- "In Egypt is the city of Heliopolis, that is to say, the city of the Sun. In that city there is a temple, made round after the shape of the Temple of Jerusalem. The priests of that temple have all their writings, under the date of the fowl that is clept phoenix; and there is none but one in all the world. And he cometh to burn himself upon the altar of that temple at the end of five hundred year; for so long he liveth. And at the five hundred years' end, the priests array their altar honestly, and put thereupon spices and sulphur and other things that will burn lightly; and then the bird phoenix cometh and burneth himself to ashes. And the first day next after, men find in the ashes a worm; and the second day next after, men find a bird quick and perfect; and the third day next after, he flieth his way. And so there is no more birds of that kind in all the world, but it alone, and truly that is a great miracle of God. And men may well liken that bird unto God, because that there is no God but one; and also, that our Lord arose from death to life the third day. This bird men see often- time fly in those countries; and he is not mickle more than an eagle. And he hath a crest of feathers upon his head more great than the peacock hath; and is neck his yellow after color of an oriel that is a stone well shining, and his beak is colored blue as ind; and his wings be of purple color, and his tail is barred overthwart with green and yellow and red. And he is a full fair bird to look upon, against the sun, for he shineth full gloriously and nobly."
okay, i'm done... it's nearly 5am and i need sleep! other people add stuff!
glae
xxx
oh dear god, i was reading POA the other day, finishing it off for like the tenth time :rolleyes: and noted something i never did before.
OH MY GOD! i can't believe i actually didn't notice it!
Pettigrew was shaking his head, mouthing noiselessly, but staring all the while at Black as though hypnotised.
'.... ready to strike the moment he could be sure of allies..... to deliver the last Potter to them. If he gave them Harry, who'd dare say he betrayed Lord Voldemort? He'd be welcomed back with honours....
The LAST Potter.... Voldemort kille James... then went for Harry. Lily died protecting him... VOldemort did not explicitly kill her... her death was a result of him trying to kill Harry.... Lily was not a Potter by blood... Harry is... Voldemort was not trying to kill just anyone, he was trying to wipe out the blood Potters.... this HAS to be an important part of the biger picture!!!!!!!! will we find out the reason voldemort wants the potters dead in ootp??? is the order of the phoenix to protect the potter dynasty??
IS Harry Griffindor's heir??? is the potter dynasty descended from griffindor?
THis would fit with Voldemort being Slytherins heir wouldn't it... the two always opposed... and now, their final showdown between the two remaining heirs....
The phoenix in the mascot of griffindor house... perhaps the OOTP was set up by Godric Gryffindor to protect his descendents from SLytherins??
and oh my goodness! look at this!
http://www.genealogyweb.com/images/rewardsample.gif
the potter family crest!
Components of the Potter Family Name Coat of Arms
The Shield is: Gold with a black cauldren.
The Crest is: Five ostrich feathers.
note the red and gold... the colours of gryffindor! the black cauldron also.... interesting don't you think?
The "Potter" family name originated in Hampshire , located in England.
The griffon (or gryphon) is a symbol of bravery and guardianship.
: A mythical bird which lives 500 years and then dies, only to be reborn in a magical fire. Rowling's variant symbolizes love or loyalty. Phoenix feathers are used as wand cores, and phoenix tears have healing powers.
http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/images/phoenix.gif
The size of an eagle, with gold plumage around the neck, a purple body, and an azure tail. The throat has a crest, and the head has a tuft of feathers. (according to Pliny)
Features The main feature of the phoenix is that it is reborn through fire: when it gets old it will make a nest (sometimes of myrrh) and set it on fire. The phoenix will be consumed in the flames, but will be reborn out of the ashes. There is only one Phoenix at a time; it lives for many years (accounts vary from 500, 540, 1000 or 1460 years.) No person has ever seen this bird eat. This legend was very common among the Egyptians, the Greek, oriental cultures, and during medieval times.
Symbolizes Might represent the sun, which dies every night and is reborn the next morning. Among classical writers, it may represent those existing in paradise, enjoying eternal youth. Among Christians, it can represent rebirth after death.
Also called Fung or Feng-Huang
(Chinese version) In this version, the bird is sent to earth to perform extraordinary works and to help the development of man. It appears in different stages of the world's progress, and then returns to heaven.
Cinomolgus- An Arabian bird that built its nests out of cinnamon in high treetops. People would try to throw rocks or shoot arrows to dislodge the nest to get the cinnamon.
Described By: Ovid, Pliny
Herodotus- "They have also another sacred bird called the phoenix which I myself have never seen, except in pictures. Indeed it is a great rarity, even in Egypt, only coming there (according to the accounts of the people of Heliopolis) once in five hundred years, when the old phoenix dies. Its size and appearance, if it is like the pictures, are as follow:- The plumage is partly red, partly golden, while the general make and size are almost exactly that of the eagle. They tell a story of what this bird does, which does not seem to me to be credible: that he comes all the way from Arabia, and brings the parent bird, all plastered over with myrrh, to the temple of the Sun, and there buries the body. In order to bring him, they say, he first forms a ball of myrrh as big as he finds that he can carry; then he hollows out the ball, and puts his parent inside, after which he covers over the opening with fresh myrrh, and the ball is then of exactly the same weight as at first; so he brings it to Egypt, plastered over as I have said, and deposits it in the temple of the Sun. Such is the story they tell of the doings of this bird." (History of Herodotus)
Tacitus- "During the consulship of Paulus Fabius and Lucius Vitellius, the bird called the phoenix, after a long succession of ages, appeared in Egypt and furnished the most learned men of that country and of Greece with abundant matter for the discussion of the marvelous phenomenon. It is my wish to make known all on which they agree with several things, questionable enough indeed, but not too absurd to be noticed. That it is a creature sacred to the sun, differing from all other birds in its beak and in the tints of its plumage, is held unanimously by those who have described its nature. As to the number of years it lives, there are various accounts. The general tradition says five hundred years. Some maintain that it is seen at intervals of fourteen hundred and sixty-one years, and that the former birds flew into the city called Heliopolis successively in the reigns of Sesostris, Amasis, and Ptolemy, the third king of the Macedonian dynasty, with a multitude of companion birds marvelling at the novelty of the appearance. But all antiquity is of course obscure. From Ptolemy to Tiberius was a period of less than five hundred years."
Mandeville- "In Egypt is the city of Heliopolis, that is to say, the city of the Sun. In that city there is a temple, made round after the shape of the Temple of Jerusalem. The priests of that temple have all their writings, under the date of the fowl that is clept phoenix; and there is none but one in all the world. And he cometh to burn himself upon the altar of that temple at the end of five hundred year; for so long he liveth. And at the five hundred years' end, the priests array their altar honestly, and put thereupon spices and sulphur and other things that will burn lightly; and then the bird phoenix cometh and burneth himself to ashes. And the first day next after, men find in the ashes a worm; and the second day next after, men find a bird quick and perfect; and the third day next after, he flieth his way. And so there is no more birds of that kind in all the world, but it alone, and truly that is a great miracle of God. And men may well liken that bird unto God, because that there is no God but one; and also, that our Lord arose from death to life the third day. This bird men see often- time fly in those countries; and he is not mickle more than an eagle. And he hath a crest of feathers upon his head more great than the peacock hath; and is neck his yellow after color of an oriel that is a stone well shining, and his beak is colored blue as ind; and his wings be of purple color, and his tail is barred overthwart with green and yellow and red. And he is a full fair bird to look upon, against the sun, for he shineth full gloriously and nobly."
okay, i'm done... it's nearly 5am and i need sleep! other people add stuff!
glae
xxx