Book 5: Order of the Phoenix -Spoilers!

[Monkfish]

From Planetpotter:

No-one really knows what's going to happen in the Order of the Phoenix. Speculation abounds, and here are two (of the most likely) possible explanations.

1) The "old crowd" of Arabella Figg, Mundungus Fletcher, etc. Dumbledore spoke of at the end of the Goblet of Fire could actually be the Order of the Phoenix; a group of powerful wizards to counteract the Deatheaters.

2) The Order of the Phoenix refers to an award, similar to the Order of Merlin.

Whatever the true nature of the Order, it seems most likely that it will have something to do with Dumbledore's pet phoenix, Fawkes, and possibly link in with both Harry and Voldemort having a tailfeather from Fawkes as the core for their wands.

What else is known about book 5 for certain are the following:

There will be a female Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher.

One of Harry's "fans" will be killed.

[Kristin]

Originally posted by Monkfish
One of Harry's "fans" will be killed.

I've never heard that one before. :confused: Colin Creevey is Harry's fan, but who else? Dobby, maybe?

[Anarie]

Personally, I'll prefer Dobby to get killed, never really liked him...:eek:

[Monkfish]

Exactly where did `house` elves stop off on the way to Valinor?

Never liked Dobby .

[Monkfish]

Harry Potter enters his 5th year at Hogwarts with more dread than daring.
Lord Voldemort has risen again, and although the Dark Lord is not present, Harry feels his presence everyday. His scar hurts, his writing sometimes fails him, and his studies are more troubling than exciting. Hermione, now a prefect, offers to help him in any way she can. Ron, his best friend, joins in. Paranoia reigns. The faculty also undergoes some major upheavals.
There are now 2 Defense Against the Dark Arts teachers: Mad-Eye Moody and Professor Lupin. There are also 2 Potions teachers - Professor Snape and a Hogwarts alumnus, named Lysandra Leonessa, a muggle who seems to be tied to Professor Lupin in some way.
Harry has a new pet as well: Snuffles. Thus, well protected, harry is surrounded by teachers and fellow students. Dumbledore monitors him closely. The new faculty keep their wands near and never fail to check on him.
As though drawn by some dying sense of venture, Harry interviews the normally cheerful Miss Leonessa. Miss Leonessa does not reveal anything, but all that Harry has to do is to check his wizard album. He finds his parents surrounded by the new faculty, along with Sirius Blackand Pettigrew.
He knows that they are keeping a protective shield around him, but can that shield be broken? And why does Professor Lupin have his arm around Miss Leonessa? Does it have something to do with his collection of books written by her, but also kept from her? "Of course," Hermione declares in her you-idiot-haven't-you-read-"Hogwarts-A-History?" tone, "Professor Lupin and Miss Leonessa were in love!"
Hermione researches on Lupin and Leonessa, then finds that they were both Quidditch players: Lupin a beater for Gryffindor, Leonessa a chaser for Ravenclaw. Good research - and suddenly Hermione begins to fail and flounder in her exams and quizzes. However, Hermione is not alone. All the prefects start failing and floundering. Miss Leonessa holds a review class, but to no avail. Professor Lupin tries to help and comfort her, but she casts him away, this time, cruelly. He, in his own frustration, trains the Gryffindor Quidditch team with more ferocity and less spirit. With some spark left in her, Hermione makes it rain one afternoon when Professor Lupin is zooming around the Quidditch field on his broomstick. In her pity for Lupin, Leonessa tends to his fever and is reunited with him. Professor Dumbledore, ever the all-seeing eye, thanks Hermione for her "good idea." Quidditch season arrives, and it is opened by an exciting exhibition game, Boys vs. Girls. On one side are Lupin, along with a selected group, and Harry as the seeker. On the other are McGonagall, Leonessa, selected girls, and the seeker Cho Chang. It is expected to be a game of wits, until Harry catches the Snitch and all brooms fail. Chaos ensues. Only powerful Dark Magic can cause broomsticks to fall. Only powerful Dark Magic can cause the prefects and the top students of the school to fail. Someone as penetrated the protection of Hogwarts and is advancing fast. As soon as the new faculty is ready, and Lupin, Leonessa, and McGonagall are healed, they begin patrolling the grounds. Fortunately, all disasters seem to wane, and, by Christmas, despite all the students being forcefully kept at Hogwarts, everyone is happy. One night, a scream rings through Hogwarts. Several students report that a hooded figure, shaking and clinging to Professor McGonagall, is led to Dumbledore's office.
Valentines' has just passed - with about a hundred arguments between Ron and Hermione - and all the festivities are drowned by the ensuing paranoia.
Harry is called to the Headmaster's office the next day, where he finds Professor Lupin and Miss Leonessa. Dumbledore orders them to tell Harry what has happened. With both teachers contributing, Harry learns of the Order of the Phoenix, established just before he was born, and created to combat Lord Voldemort's power. Made up of the closest of friends, including the Potters, Lupin, Leonessa, and Dumbledore, the Order of the Phoenix was once strong and unbendable.
Lord Voldemort had tried to unite his powers with Lysandra, who is actually a powerful wizard skilled in the dark arts but who refuses to use them. Lysandra was able to harness the strength of the Order and defend herself. The Dark Powers, however, penetrated into the weakest of them - Peter Pettigrew. Because of Pettigrew, the order was broken. Even then, Lord Voldemort nearly died after trying to kill Harry. Despite the apparent triumph, Lysandra left the order in shame, thinking that Lupin and Dumbledore would disown her as one of their kind. Upon her return, both to Hogwarts and to the order, she vowed to both protect Harry and destroy Lord Voldemort.
For reasons known only to Dumbledore and a Lupin now fiercely protective of his girl, Voldemort's attack on Lysandra had nearly broken her. She and Lupin bid Harry to be careful, as she has dreamed of Lord Voldemort's return.
In a series of strange events, Harry encounters Draco Malfoy, who, at first despising him, now tries to kill him. He encounters Draco and a band of Slytherins one night in the Gryffindor common room. What follows is what appears to be a Wizard's duel, promptly stopped by the re-formed Order of the Phoenix. The Slytherin students drop unconscious, Neville Longbottom among them, numbering himself among the exploited - and contributing the Gryffindor password.
Snape administers the Truth Potion to them all, but the students have been lost since the first day of school. Their minds have been conquered by their parents, but their natural childlikeness, though hidden, prevents complete conquest and even Harry's death. Malfoy even tries to kill himself in a fit of "Wizard anger," but Harry saves him. Their enmity does not end... ..But this book does.
The Order of the Phoenix uncovers Voldemort's plan: Weaken all the top Hogwarts students, cause enmity amongst them, then use their disunity to enter through the shield of the Order. Everything goes against him again, but everyone knows that this will not last long. The Order this remains as strong as ever, and its members protect Harry, knowing perhaps that, with all the boy's power, Voldemort would want to get to him and purchase the power at the price of Harry's life.
All will end if this should happen, And, with dread mixed with his courage, Harry leaves Hogwarts for another vacation.

[~Tindómë~]

Woah!! Monkfish, if I didn't know better, I'd say you've been snooping around J.K Rowling's house and reading all her manuscripts!!:eek: :D ;)

[Monkfish]

:LOL: :rotfl: :LOL:


All that time JKR thought it was lightening............It was really me with my flash camera!

[one.elven.girl]

I chose not to read that last part, seeing as how I want some element of surprise when I read it! Spoilers indeeed, but now I want even more for the book to be out RIGHT NOW!

[Monkfish]

I know the feeling.:D

[Kristin]

I'm confused: Is that really a spoiler or just thoughts of what OoTP should/could be? (I doubt a muggle would be a Hogwarts teacher.)

[Colli]

(What is it with the colors in this forum?)


Harry and the gang travel to Phoenix, Arizona for a year of overseas learning. Once they get there, they romp about and Harry gets (surprise) in trouble. However, the Order of the Phoenix keeps him from being punished.

I swear, it's all true.

;)

[Monkfish]

:D

[~Tindómë~]

Where do you get all this stuff from anyway, Monkfish?!:D

[Fleur]

That sounds like a great fan fic, Monkfish, but you claim it's true?

I say Huh?

[Colli]

Fleur, ~Tindómë~, there are websites out there that collect rumors and speculation and list them all.

I can't remember any URLs at this time, though.

Just like our speculations, except less crazy. :)

[Fleur]

oooooh I see! lol. Makes sense now. I have read a lot of Fan fics where Lupin has a girl, I think everyone feels sorry for him.

Somehow I don't think Fleur will be the DADA teacher - she hasn't got enough experience! Maybe it will be one of Lily's old schoolmates and the whole of PoA can repeat itself, except from lily's PoV. lol. I'm not crazy. Ohhhh no.

[Monkfish]

I`ve been found out!:)

The above is from:

www.hogwarts.esmartweb.com/rumours.htm

[Nuratariel]

Wow, this is VERY interesting:)

I love the fact that Lupin returns in OoTP, he was always my fav. character, I cannot wait to see more.:swoon:

[Gin Brandybuck]

GAH!!! wow...I want the booook!!!!I've gotten very close to reserving it at the library...maybe I can buy it at walmart or cosco or something....

Lupin with a girl...hmm...and where was Sirius in all of this?

[Monkfish]

Originally posted by Gin Brandybuck
and where was Sirius in all of this?

Harry has him with him as a "pet" so Sirius can keep a close eye on him.

This makes for some interesting encounters between dog Sirius and Crookshanks.:D

[mallorniphredil]

Monkfish: Are they rumors or is your post the REAL plot for Order of the Phoenix?

[Fleur]

Rumors. I think. ;)

What would people LIKE to see happen?

Obviously, for Hermione and Ron to REALISE they are in luuuurve

For Harry to go and live with Sirius (For Sirius' sake) ;)

oh i dunno actualy that is hard

[Pilgrim Grey]

Nah, I reckon it's cool that Harry has to stay with the Dursley's, but nobody except Dumbledore knows why... it makes it seem like they actually have a purpose and are special or something, I'm sure that they'd all love that :D

[Erundil]

Ok, this is not -quite- on topic but thought I'd mention it...

About 3 years ago, when I was 15, I used to quite often imagine myself as a character in a fantastic world, completing all kinds of magical quests...that sort of thing. Like most kids really (difference perhaps being i still do it... but never mind that:D )

Aanyway, one of the things i used in that imaginary world was become the leader of a magic society called the Order of the Phoenix.

When I read some months ago this was going to be the next's book titles, I spent a few hours trying to figure out just what parts of my life are illusory :eek:

[Monkfish]

:eek:

[Fleur]

About 3 years ago, when I was 15, I used to quite often imagine myself as a character in a fantastic world, completing all kinds of magical quests...that sort of thing. Like most kids really (difference perhaps being i still do it... but never mind that )


I do that all the time. But your case is indeed sh:eek:cking!

That is extremly cool tell us more about the order of the pheoix, then!

[Colli]

:clap:

Yes, tell us more!

:)

[Erundil]

Well it wasn't all that original.

I had a bit of of a fixation with phoenixes at the time (it was before i ever read HP) in fact i still have it in a way.

Soo anyway I was a fire-mage controllign all sorts of magical fires, including healing flames, and served a powerful intelligent pheonix, though there were also all sorts of 'lesser' phoenixes that I could summon...

Anyway, the Order was soemthing I founded, a group of mages and warriors to fight back evil, that sort of thing.

I doubt Rowling has something like that in mind except very generally.. though enough for a court case I guess? ;)

[Esgaroth]

Originally posted by Fleur
Rumors. I think. ;)

What would people LIKE to see happen?

Obviously, for Hermione and Ron to REALISE they are in luuuurve

For Harry to go and live with Sirius (For Sirius' sake) ;)

oh i dunno actualy that is hard

What would I like to see happen??? Hmmm...well after reading the spoiler post (and yes, I deliberately came here to see just that...having some inkling of whats ahead I dont think is going to spoil my enjoyment of Rowlings writing...she is so good!)

To see more characterization of Draco, although I am not too sure I am keen on the idea of him trying to kill himself??? I am now curious as to how she will write it/handle it...it could be a cheezy thing or it could be quite revealing. She has already stated that he does not reform, but I am hoping to God that she means 'not in this book.'

sorry, but my preference has been made, now. I'll be rooting for Draco as well as Harry. If we get to book 7 and something has not happened with him, (good OR bad...well, I admit, I am hoping for good...) I will be very upset with her.

[Lord Schaudt]

There will be a female Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher.


Arbella figg is my guess

[Colli]

I still think Snape is some form of a vampire. :p

[Elfëa]

Snape a vampire?

If he were a vampire, he wouldn't be trusted - he would have not been up to say a word against accepting Lupin teach at Hogwarts, would he?

looks at her sentece struckture and spelling and wonders if it's time for bed ;)

[Pilgrim Grey]

Hi, I lost the MI in all the moving around, so I was just wondering if we've got any sort of release date yet? thanks :)

[Colli]

Rumors say March or April, but that's not confirmed. :)

Well Dumbledore trusts Snape... and obviously not many people know. But Lupin knows...

I'll post the theory here later. :D

[Seriphus]

Did anyone else pick up on the fact that polyjuice potion tastes like cabbages and Arabella Figgs house smells of cabbages?

The Snape vampire theory (or the one I've heard at least) is:

I heard a rumour somewhere, and I've been building on it. We're all wondering why Dumbledore trusts Snape so much, why Snape is so angry and what job it is he is sent to do at the end of book 4. First of all let me say that I do not believe that he could have returned as a deatheater and spy on them, because Voldemort already knows that he has left them for good.

"The theory is this: Snape is a vampire or daphmir (I don't know how to spell it). A daphmir is the child of a father vampire or a human mother, they don«t have problems with sunlight.

"Things that could indicate this: First remember how Snape is described Bk 2, pg 78: "There, his black robes rippling in a cold breeze, stood Severus Snape. He was a thin man with sallow skin, a hooked nose, and greasy, shoulder-length black hair, ..." somewhere else in the books harry sees a picture of Sirius, who is described to have sallow skin too, and Harry compares him to how he would imagine a vampire looking.

"Next look at all the places that Snape is compared to a bat or a vampire. "Severus?" Quirrell laughed,..."Yes, Severus does seem the type, doesn't he? So useful to have him swooping around like an overgrown bat. Next to him, who would suspect p-p-poor, st-stuttering P-Professor Quirrell?"

"In book four Ron and Harry are discussing how Snape got back to the castle after having attacked Crouch, assuming that he did it. Ron says "unless he can turn into a bat or something, I wouldn«t put it past Snape"

"There are also somewhere where his cloak billows out behind him like "a huge bat"

"Now look at the place in book four where Snape took the DADA job while Lupin was sick. He set them a werewolf essay, as a low blow at Lupin. Lupin then get«s Harry out of Snape's office when he is catched after having been in Hogsmeade. Lupin says "Harry, Ron, come with me, I need a word about my vampire essay--excuse us, Severus--" that could very well be a low blow back at Snape for trying to reveal Lupins secret!

"Now if Snape is a vampire/damphir then the job in the end of book four is to spy on Voldemort, but not as a deatheater, but as a bat. We know that he is good at brewing potions so he probably keeps his instincts in chess with some kind of potion. And we know he isn«t evil (not at the bottom at least, he did save Harrys life) so maybe he just joined the deatheaters in the first place, because Voldemort could offer him so much in the form of human prey. And Dumbledore knows he can trust Snape because he was the one to tip Dumbledore of about Voldemort being after the potters (it does say that they knew quite some time before Voldemort killed them that he was after them)

"The reason why he hates Lupin so much is because first of all because he knows his secret but also because of that prank. We know that Black isn«t evil so I can«t imagine him sending Snape down to Lupin when Lupin was a werewolf if he knew that Snape would die. But werewolfs and vampires have the instinct of fighting each other, so Black probably imagined that Snape stood a chance, and that it would be amusing to see how he would handle Lupin, maybe they were already on to that fact that Snape was a vampire and wanted it confirmed.


Serphy

[Elfëa]

I can only way WOW. :jawdrop:

It's impressive theory and I cannot actually find reasonable argument against it!

Can anyone else?

Wonder if he is?

Any ideas when the book is going to be out???!?!:( :confused: :mad:

[Colli]

:clap: Another convert!

Two more things: In TSS (aka TPS) movie, when Snape so brilliantly delivers his "I can teach you how to bewitch the mind and ensare the senses." line, he stretches out his arms and takes his cloak and wraps it around himself.. and looks exactly like a bat would.

Quirrell also mentions bats briefly in class, after McGonagall fetches Oliver Wood from class to show him Harry.

Plus, in GoF, there are about 500 million references to bats and vampires, even if they aren't in direct reference to Snape.

I had a wild theory for about 2 days that Viktor Krum was Snape's son... but that ended when I reread GoF and Viktor was with both his parents. ;) And he looked exactly like his dad.

There's a lot in these books about kids looking exactly like their dads, isn't there?

About Mrs Figg: I read a theory somewhere that she's Harry's secret keeper, which is why Voldemort can't harm Harry at the Dursleys.

[Seriphus]

Plus, in GoF, there are about 500 million references to bats and vampires, even if they aren't in direct reference to Snape.

I think Dean Thomas says in PoA something like, "Who will we have teaching us next, a vampire?" Maybe a reference to Snape's supposed desire to teach DADA?

I read ages ago that JKR had talked to the actors about the characters' futures (Robbie Coltrane, in particular) so maybe Alan Rickman knows something about Snape that we can only guess i.e. that he's a vampire, and refers to it in the movies.

Serphy

[Elfëa]

Snape is supposed to desire DADA job, but is he really? He's rather... obsessed with his potions, so to say :p

Was there anything in the movies, except the swinging the cloak that would refer to bats?
Even though I feel we cannot trust the movie for book spoilers, because mutters something inaudible...

[Colli]

LOL!

Well in the first movie JKR spent a lot of the time on the set telling the adult actors more about their roles in the future books that would help them with their character. So she very well might have told Rickman that Snape was a vampire. (edit: Oops. Seriphus already mentioned it. ;))

Yet another reason to find him and tie him to a chair.... :p

Yeah, Serphy, that's another. But since Dean Thomas doesn't KNOW Snape's a vampire, he wouldn't actually be talking about him. I just assume it's a little hint Joanne dropped in there. :D

Elfea, you just gave me a new idea.

Snape IS obsessed with the dark arts, he loved them as a kid, and he used to be a death eater. So why, everyone asks, is he Potions Master? 1) We get to call him Master. ;) 2) So he can make some sort of a Potion to control his instincts, much like Wolfsbane. 3) The usual assumed reason: Dumbledore doesn't want him to teach DADA.

Oooh.. if he was the Defense teacher we could call him "DADA Master". :rotfl:

I didn't notice anything in the CoS movie, but I've only seen it twice. :D Although the Lockhart scene after the credits reminds me of Jim Carrey in Batman Forever when he takes the straps of his straight jacket and swings them up and down and says "I am BatMan!" :p

[Elfëa]

So why, everyone asks, is he Potions Master?

Perhaps because Dark Arts involve loads of Potions?

I'm still asking why would he want to teach DADA? It's only assumed by the students that he wants... ;) :p

[Seriphus]

It's only assumed by the students that he wants...
I agree. He seems really into teaching potions as well- the way he sells it to them in PS/SS and the way he deals with the Wolfsbane potion and Veritaserum. He's also protective of his position when Lockhart suggests that he could make a potion to revive the petrified students.

Although he was into the dark arts when he was younger he may be trying to get away from that later on in his life. There's got to be a reason for him leaving the Death Eaters, a reason that perhaps prevents him from wanting to teach DADA.


Serphy

[RosieLass]

I wonder if the thought has occurred to Rowling that if she doesn't hurry up with the rest of these books, the kids will grow up and will be too old to play the characters in the upcoming movies? :eek:

Someone mentioned that Dumbledore trusts Snape, therefore, he can't be a bad guy. But did anyone else get the feeling, in the last book, that maybe Dumbledore can't be completely trusted himself?

I don't know why, but somehow I came away with the impression that he's hiding something, and it might not be a benign secret. :jawdrop:

[Elfëa]

Originally posted by RosieLass
I wonder if the thought has occurred to Rowling that if she doesn't hurry up with the rest of these books, the kids will grow up and will be too old to play the characters in the upcoming movies? :eek:

Well, Felton for starters won't be in the movies after PoA... at least what I know of :(


Someone mentioned that Dumbledore trusts Snape, therefore, he can't be a bad guy. But did anyone else get the feeling, in the last book, that maybe Dumbledore can't be completely trusted himself?

I don't know why, but somehow I came away with the impression that he's hiding something, and it might not be a benign secret. :jawdrop:

I think this comes from the feeling that Dumbledore is omniscient! I mean, he really seems to know everything that's going on- how can such person can be trusted if they don't tell you all?

But so far, I think we can trust Snape has some spine in him :D

There's got to be a reason for him leaving the Death Eaters, a reason that perhaps prevents him from wanting to teach DADA.


Agree. Or perhaps it prevents him for teaching DADA - or perhaps the mere fact that he has been a Death Eater prevents Dumbledore from giving him the job? Afterall - not all the wizarding world trust him...

Hmm... wonder what Lucius Malfoy thinks of that his son is in rather good terms with an ex-Death Eater?

[Colli]

The Death Eaters never knew who everyone else was, right? And they didn't see each other all in a group until the end of GoF, so we wouldn't have seen Lucius's reaction to Snape yet, or if he ever KNEW Snape was a Death Eater in the first place.

It doesn't seem like anyone at Hogwarts (except maybe teachers) knew he was a Death Eater.. so no reason for parents to be upset, right?

Interesting thought, though. :D I can't wait to see how Draco and Lucius act in OotP. It's gonna be villianiscious!

Zeus, I need a new book. :rolleyes:

[Elfëa]

Wizarding world did know that Snape was accused being a Death Eater - Harry saw metion of his trial on the Pensieve during the trial of Karkaroff who told the names of quite few Death Eaters... :eek: - so up to certain limit, Death Eaters did know who's on their side! All who were present there heard that Snape's been cleared by Dumbledore.

I think Lucius knows that Snape was Death Eater - at least he knows now... Can't remember did Voldemort refer to Snape directly or to a one who has betrayed them at the grave yard?

Argh I can't wait! (if I hate anything, it's waiting :mad: )
New book needed indeed

[Colli]

That's right, Elfea, I had completely forgotten!

I'm ashamed now, I read them less than a week ago... I can't believe I didn't think about that. :D

Voldie mentioned one that had left him forever, who he intended to kill. He (as far as I can remember) never mentioned Snape's name.

And why would Lucius want Draco to go to Durmstrang if he knew Karkaroff had betrayed the Death Eaters?

Methinks there's more to Mr Malfoy than meets the eye...

Do you think Lucius would've told Draco if Lucius knew that Snape was a Death Eater?

He seems to have no problem with his son cavorting with ex-Death Eaters... I find that strange.

[Elfëa]

Well, Lucius kinda didn't except Voldie come back around - doesn't it show when he escapes the Dark Mark in the World Cup? :p

Maybe that explains it all...

I think Lucius knows that Snape was Death Eater - but is not certain did he really crossover or just covered his skin when Voldie fell? - I bet Malfoy did something to cover his own skin :p

[Colli]

But Snape crossed over BEFORE Voldie fell.. he betrayed them. I'd assume that the Death Eaters in hiding still talked: like Macnair, Crabbe Sr, Goyle Sr, and Malfoy. I'm positive they all knew they'd flock back to Voldie if he ever returned.

Surely they knew that Snape had betrayed them. You mentioned Karkaroff's trial. Rita Skeeter was there, even if Malfoy & Company weren't.

I'd love to know what the "great personal risk" was that Snape took to become a spy. Somehow, I don't think it's just that he risked his life. I think there's something more to that.

[Elfëa]

But Snape crossed over BEFORE Voldie fell.. he betrayed them. I'd assume that the Death Eaters in hiding still talked: like Macnair, Crabbe Sr, Goyle Sr, and Malfoy. I'm positive they all knew they'd flock back to Voldie if he ever returned.

I don't think they knew before Snape's record was publicly (was it ever?) cleaned. Otherwise he would have been killed.
But after Karkaroff's trial - they know to doupt him. But it has not been confirmed that everyone believed that Snape has crossedover - they even might think he has douplecrossed...


I'd love to know what the "great personal risk" was that Snape took to become a spy. Somehow, I don't think it's just that he risked his life. I think there's something more to that.

I can't help thinking this has something to do with Lily (oops, I was about to write Baggins! :o :eek:!) Potter...
There is more than risk of death... there must be...

[Colli]

But Dumbledore didn't JUST express his confidence in him. He expressly said that Snape crossed over before Voldemort fell and became a spy for them. While I'm sure there are skeptics (just like Rita Skeeter was skeptical of Ludo Bagman), I assume that the majority of the wizardly world accepted it. "He hasn't been accused since then"... or whatever Dumbledore (:o almost wrote "Gandalf") told Harry.

I don't really see a reason for Lucius Malfoy to believe otherwise.

Who do you mean double crossed who?

I've been thinking about the general Snape/Lily theory.. and I don't like it. Judging that Snape was in Slytherin and that he loved the Dark Arts, and that he was a Death Eater, I'd guess (just guess) that he has the typical disdain for Muggles and Mudbloods. I'd find it extremely odd (yet intriguing) if he loved Lily.

It's sort of like Draco liking Hermione. I just don't see it happening. :)

[Elfëa]

I don't know anything anymore.

i'll solve my thougths and post later.

But I think I was asking did Lucius really know that Snape wasn't on their side anymore, I mean at the time he send Drace to school - there is the possibility: Snape has lied to Dumbledore - and was a douplecrosser :eek:

[Colli]

I've been reading old JKR interviews, trying to keep an eye out for things that stick out.

I noticed this:

You may see a little more of Mundungus and there's a new sorting hat song.

I'm not surprised about Mundungus... but is there supposed to be some significance to the song or is she just telling us, as a bit of info?

[Jennie]

From today's New York Times:

Auctioning Teasers to the Next Potter Novel

By ROBIN POGREBIN

The latest example of how Harry Potter aficionados — even those of advanced age — are hungering for any morsel about the next installment is a simple index card containing a mere 93 words scribbled in blue ink. The words are from the series' author, J. K. Rowling, and because they are clues to the fifth novel's contents, they have generated frenetic interest as an item to be auctioned by Sotheby's on Thursday in London.

The way moviegoers eagerly awaited the release of early serials like "The Perils of Pauline" and readers were addicted to installments of Charles Dickens' "Old Curiosity Shop," fans are anticipating "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix," the next volume in the series. Speculation is particularly intense because Ms. Rowling failed to publish it as expected in July, having produced the previous four at a rate of one book a year. The last novel, "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire," was published in 2000, and the next is due sometime next year.

A Web site devoted to Harry Potter news, the-leaky-cauldron.org, is trying to raise money among its legions in an effort to bid on the card. As of yesterday, the site had received 860 donations, said its operators, who added that they hoped to reach 1,500 by the end of today. They would not divulge the amount of money raised.

"We know you WANT to see those words," the Web site says. "Will they spoil the book? No. J. K. R. wrote them herself; consider how much information she gives out in an interview, and you'll see why she won't spell out the plot of her own book for the highest bidder. But words like `sacked' and `sorry' are on the card (a scant few of the words have been released to the public), and the rest of those words will give us die-hard fans plenty to ponder until the book is released."

The card, which has Ms. Rowling's autograph, is expected to draw about $100 a word, or $9,300, Sotheby's said.

The Web site's organizers said they were not revealing the fruits of their fund-raiser "because we're afraid a tycoon will show up and outbid us," said Melissa Anelli, managing editor of the site and the president of Leaky Inc., who also worries that in that case the words might be kept secret.

By day Ms. Anelli writes for MTV Networks' Pages Online, an entertainment industry magazine. At night she toils on the Web site. That project started as a hobby, she said, and then became rather consuming. "I'm a sucker for a mystery," she said. She is 22, by the way, not 8 like most "Harry Potter" fans. Her site, she said, receives 500,000 hits a day. It is one of thousands devoted to the series.

The card's 93 words are random, not forming a sentence, and Sotheby's would reveal only 14 of them apart from the book's title: "thirty-eight chapter . . . might change . . . longest volume . . . Ron . . . broom . . . sacked . . . house-elf . . . new . . . teacher . . . dies . . . sorry."

In the Sotheby's catalog, a description of the card, Lot 517, reads: "What happens in the fifth `Harry Potter' book? The author's own fascinating and unique glimpse into the much-awaited fifth `Harry Potter' novel. J. K. Rowling provides an outline of some key events in her fifth story, which will only be revealed upon purchase of this lot. The lot will therefore be sold sight unseen (and as such is sold not subject to return)."

Kristen Moran, a spokeswoman for Scholastic, which publishes the novels in the United States, said that Ms. Rowling was unavailable for comment. Ms. Rowling is expected to produce a total of seven Harry Potter books.

The card tries to be consistent with the books' aura of mystery. "This is what the author has decided to tell us as a bit of a teaser of what's coming up," said Dr. Philip Errington, a children's book expert at Sotheby's in London. "It's not a synopsis."

The card — one of three Harry Potter-related lots in the sale, including a letter by Ms. Rowling to a reader — is headed "Edinburgh 2002: Things I can tell you about `Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix' ," which Mr. Errington said made the card a piece of history. "One cannot fail to point out that this comes before the published book," he said. "It should retain an interest in the chronology of when the books come out."

Proceeds from this auction of literature, history and children's books will benefit Book Aid International, which addresses the shortage of books in the developing world. Sotheby's takes a commission at a reduced charity rate.

Ms. Rowling wrote the index card at the request of the Society of Authors' Children's Writers and Illustrators Group, which asked its members to contribute text or illustrations to be sold in a fund-raiser for charity.

The auction also includes, for example, three Winnie-the-Pooh books that belonged to the real Christopher Robin and were inscribed to him by his father, the author A. A. Milne.

Mr. Errington said that the Rowling card, which is about six inches by eight inches, features the book title in its center, with the words spiraling out around it. "It's a very visual piece," he said.

Along with donations, the Leaky Cauldron Web site has received several enthusiastic written responses, Ms. Anelli said, like one from a father who said his 8-year-old daughter had decided to contribute her pocket money.

If the Web site successfully bids on the card and has money left over, Ms. Anelli said, it would donate the balance to Book Aid International. If it does not win, it will donate all the proceeds to that charity. To receive its donations, the Leaky Cauldron quickly incorporated as a nonprofit, Leaky Inc., on Nov. 26.

If it wins, Leaky Cauldron plans to post the card, although it has yet to decide what it will do with the card after that. Sotheby's has warned the site's operators that copyright issues may be a problem in reproducing Ms. Rowling's work without her consent.

"So, what are we waiting for?" the Web site implores. "NOTHING! Get going! Thanks in advance because we know you. We cannot wait to show everyone what Harry Potter fans do when they band together. This fandom has always had the potential to do great works. It's time to make one of those choices that show what we truly are."

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/06/books/06HARR.html (free registration required)

[Elfëa]

thirty-eight chapter . . . might change . . . longest volume . . . Ron . . . broom . . . sacked . . . house-elf . . . new . . . teacher . . . dies . . . sorry."

house-elf new teacher
or
new teacher dies? ;)

Hmm... of course we do need a new DADA teacher, and whoever will die Harry will of course feel sorry - EVEN if it's Voldemort.

I like the idea of long volumes :D That means I'm allowed to read read read :D

Hmm... broom? Maybe Ron gets new broom :p

Ah, gotta love all the rumours and such... keeps the tension up...

I need the BOOK NOW! (okay, I'm desperate)

[Colli]

I just read this at Mugglenet.com. Apparently some guy wrote an editorial stating that he believes OotP will be soon, but I don't like his attitude. He's rude.

I have no proof, no smoking gun. I have only the multitude of news stories and interviews to pose my opinion that J.K. has finished book 5 and is sitting on the manuscript. She is waiting for the auction to conclude to see what the final tally is before she releases book 5 to Bloomsbury.
Let's start with the fact she admits all seven books were outlined. This gives her the basis to complete each edition in relatively timely order.

J.K. is already nearly two years behind from her initial date she told Bloomsbury it would get the manuscript. The first four books were published in years 1997, 1999, 1999, 2000. That would have made book five a 2001 possible 2002 publish date. If this is the case, then book five, which is now suppose to be a hair longer than 'Goblet of Fire' could have been done this past summer. We are now looking at 2003 for book five.

Now getting married can throw things in turmoil. But a good husband would have kept her focused to finish it. Newlyweds or not.

It has been intimated that the lawsuits she was embroiled in caused her to delay book five. Someone of her stature should have lawyers and other staff people to shield her from that and involve her only when it became necessary.

J.K. says book five is done, but she is fine tuning it. Unless she is doing complete rewrites of several chapters, isn't fine tuning what her publishers is suppose to do?

Lastly, this auction with Sotheby is the most compelling argument that the book is actually done. Why now? Why only 93 random words? This card with signature could have been put up any time while she wrote the book.

I love the Harry Potter series, they are a wonderful moral based good versus evil group of books, but it is my opinion that J.K. is trying to prove how much she controls Harry Potter by delaying giving Bloomsbury the manuscript.

Now I am going to admit that book six will be really late. New babies tend to occupy your time a lot. My best guess is 2005 for book six.

[Pilgrim Grey]

The fourteen words released so far are obviously meant to throw people of the track. Thae article says specifically that the words aren't linked in any way, so the things like "new house-elf teacher dies" are, I'm pretty positive, just put up to mislead us. The things that I like reading are "thirty-eights chapters" (although the post says "thirty-eight chapter", so it could mean that something big happens in that chapter) and "longest volume" which (thank God) contradicts what JKR said previously about it being shorter than GoF.

Also, the guy at Mugglenet's argument about the card is flawed - he asks why she only wrote it now - but in the previous article it says that JKR only wrote it because she was asked to, she didn't do it to gauge interest or anything.

[Seriphus]

That post's very cynical. I think JKR's been very busy not only with getting married and dealing with law suits, but also with helping out with the movies.

At least with 38 chapters it will keep us going until book 6. Hopefully.

Serphy

[Elfëa]

Lets just hope the book will be out... SOON! :) :p ;)

And book 6 and 7 fast enough after that...

[Colli]

Well I gather that she didn't spend much time on the movie. It seems like I heard Chris Columbus say once that she was only on the set a few times.

The lawsuit took up a TON of time.

But that editorial was just WAY rude. She spends 10 hours a day writing sometimes!


Not to mention she's a mother (twice) and a wife.

PG, I agree.

[Sirius Black]

Very interesting vampire-theory. Although Jason Isaacs was the true vampire in the Chamber...
I've read somewhere else that Albus is an unregistered Animagus by the name of Hedwig. :lol:

Hoom... longest volume? Does that have to refer to the actual book? Would it then be a quote from the manuscript? Maybe she's talking about another one of Ginny's diaries.
SB

[Seriphus]

Hoom... longest volume? Does that have to refer to the actual book? Would it then be a quote from the manuscript? Maybe she's talking about another one of Ginny's diaries.

Don't worry it does refer to the book. In an interview she said it was 38 chapters.

[Pilgrim Grey]

I was browsing around the internet, and I found a list of quotes from JKR about OoTP. Nothing we haven't known or analysed to death already, except for one: basically, it said that we would be seeing more of the Dursley's, and something unexpected would happen to them. I reckon Aunt Petunia's a squib personaly, that's why she hates magic so much... has this been speculated about yet, or has it been denied/proved false?

[Elfëa]

I reckon Aunt Petunia's a squib personaly, that's why she hates magic so much... has this been speculated about yet, or has it been denied/proved false?

How ever hard I try to find evidence of that I can't - unless you count Petunia's speech in PS, about (paraphrasing) "how happy their parents were to finally have a witch in the family" - and this can be read in both ways.
And the fact in CoS - Petunia knows Harry's not really doing magic when he tries scares Dudley in the garden. But that could also come from the fact that she has lived with a witch in the family.
Come to think of it, Petunia says that Lily did magic during holidays- turning teacups into something - even though the regulations might have changed, but students - at least in HArry's time- are not allowed to do magic during the holidays. I think that the Ministery might be more flexible with this fact when it comes to children from witching families - as there is so much magic around the houses that it's rather difficult to detect who's doing it.
Maybe Petunia really is a Squib - perhaps she was disown (sp?) by her family because of that - perhaps her family was Pureblood?

hmm... I know some of the conversations between Tom Riddle/Voldmort and Harry mention Lily - but was it Tom/Voldie who said she's Muggleborn or Harry? :confused: Can't remember, but I have a itch that it was Harry...

It's not impossible :)

[Pilgrim Grey]

Hurray, finally I thought up some speculation that's actually plausible! :D

[Elfëa]

hmm...

I'll try to find a hole in that theory... ;)

just for you :p

returns back writing her essay...

I'd be much easier if I could do my essays about Harry Potter, much much easier... :p

[Sirius Black]

I like that theory as well! Even though my first thought was that that reference "a witch in the family" is evidence against, because it sounds like such a big thing... is Petunia the older one?

Ohh.. so do you think Vernon knows???
Can squibs have wizard children?
SB

[Elfëa]

I think they can - I mean, there are Muggle born witches and wizards as well - and Half born :)

I've gotta check those speeches with Voldie and so on... can anyone remember mentions about Lily's family elsewhere? :)

[Mormegil]

That 93 word synopsis was sold for £28,680

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2570647.stm

[Pilgrim Grey]

Wow, that's a lot of money for needy children :clap:

But I wonder who it was bought by, and whether they're going to release the synopsis publicly (nobody's that much of a loser are they? I mean, it's going to be worthles soon anyway...)

[Colli]

A Private US bidder? I really hope they step up...

[Sirius Black]

My guess? That card is nicely tucked away in a safe at Warner Bros. now.
SB

[Colli]

Why the WB? I thought they only had movie rights?

That's a good idea, though, that some exec company would snatch it up. I just think it's more likely to be someone in connection with the book. :D

How mean. :p :mad:

[Elfëa]

Yeah, mean for us :mad:

but I guess it's good for publicity and the needy children? :)

[Pilgrim Grey]

i hate to do this but I guess I have to: I've found out that my theory is most likely false :(

In COS, when Voldy is talking to Harry, Harry says "my plain MUGGLE-BORN mother saved my" or something like that, which means that Petunia can't be a squib... but then, earlier in the book Harry notes that he was never told much about his parents, so how would he know whether his mum was muggle-born? Hmm, maybe this is another thing for the (unfortunately lost) mistakes thread...

[Irys]

Harry calling Lily Muggle-born doesn't really mean anything. It's probably his assumption. And we really don't ever find out anything about Lily and Petunia's parents, except little comments like the "finally a witch..." one.

I'd really like to find out more about Muggles who do end up with witches and wizards as children. L&P's parents, assuming they were Muggles, seemed to know that the wizarding world exists before Lily goes to Hogwarts. But the Ministry is always trying to keep their world a secret to Muggle eyes. So, there's got to be quite a few Muggles who know about the wizarding world through their magical offspring... I wonder how many other Muggles know? And how?

[Sirius Black]

Well, the Prime Minister knows, for one... so will the MI5+6, a bunch of advisors, their families... Weasley's neighbours (you know, that day, little John returned 3 garden gnomes and ended up in Molly's kitchen...? ;) ) There's bound to be more mixed marriages as well, apart from the Riddles. (don't the Hufflepuffs talk about Muggle-ancestors in CoS, when they're scared of Harry?) Then, I suppose, people in the Special Needs Departments of Local Education Authorities, because Harry's probably not the only young wizard jumping on the roof when teased.

I reckon, what Harry says to Voldemort is more a defiant reaction after a year of muggle- and mudblood-discrimination, than facts.
SB

[Elfëa]

But Voldemort doesn't deny Harry's interpretation that his mother was a Muggle-born...

But more interesting even is the fact that according to Voldemort/Tom Riddle, Harry does NOT have any special powers. What is the reason behind trying to kill him then?

[Sirius Black]

Sybil Trelawney's first real prediction? "Your Horoscope? Well, Marvolo, it doesn't look good. Mars is in the 3rd house, that means a little black-haired boy will be your downfall. Sorry, chap." - "Curse him! Hey - good idea..."
:D

[Colli]

I like the theory, but SS/PS, while it doesn't exactly SAY Lily's parents were muggles, implies that they were.

1) Hagrid calls Petunia and Vernon Muggles. He more than likely would've known who Lily's parents were, wouldn't he? If he knew that her parents had been wizards, he would've called Petunia a Squib.

2) Petunia's outburst. (Also in the movie) Her parents were so proud that they had a witch in the family. And the book implies that it was unusual to have rats turned into tea cups and whatever, et al. Sure, it could be interpreted both ways, but I think the squib argument is weak.

:clap: I love hearing new theories, though. Keep thinkin'!

[Elfëa]

I cannot say about the first one, but the second one can be explained by psygology - Petunia is jealous and wants to believe that Lily is the faulty one.

Petunia's and Lily's parents might have been Squibs? ;) Or either of them and otherone a Muggle?

Everything is possible :p

The power of words is in the interpretation :D (wow, that's going to my CritLit exam paper if possible :p)

[Kristin]

Originally posted by Sirius Black
"Your Horoscope? Well, Marvolo, it doesn't look good. Mars is in the 3rd house, that means a little black-haired boy will be your downfall. Sorry, chap."

:rotfl: I like it!

[Colli]

:D :D

Ok, about the first prediction.

That does make the most sense, that's what I've thought for a long time. There for a while I was positive about it. :D

It almost seems like it HAS to do with Voldemort or the Potters, right?

Fans know that the Potters had to have been warned somehow, and this prediction mystery falls right into our laps.

..

See where I'm going? It seems a little obvious for the way Rowling likes to write. It's as if that's what she WANTS us to think, so she can throw us another curveball. Just like thinking Snape was trying to kill Harry in SS, just like thinking Draco was opening the chamber of secrets in CoS.

That being said... I have NO idea. ;)

[Seriphus]

Colli, you're right. I think the prediction will be something no one's thought of yet.
The thing with the books is that JKR gives us enough information so that when something happens we wonder how we failed to see it coming, but at the same time holds back a lot of important stuff.

Lily and Petunia were muggle-born, but that doesn't stop them having magical predecessors if, as Elfëa pointed out, one of their parents was a squib or even grandparents, great-grandparents etc. Some magical history would explain why their parents were so happy to have a witch in the family.

Serphy

[Elfëa]

Originally posted by Seriphus
Colli, you're right. I think the prediction will be something no one's thought of yet.
The thing with the books is that JKR gives us enough information so that when something happens we wonder how we failed to see it coming, but at the same time holds back a lot of important stuff.


The more we have time, the more we come up with speculations - the more possibilities there is to be right...

I bet some of our speculations WILL be right :D


(hmm... Arabella Figg for the DADA teacher? - soo clear... wonder will it be so. :))

[Colli]

I've gotten so paranoid about all speculation and rumor that even if something we've said turns out to be true, it won't matter. ;) You know how she likes to throw twists in.

But I really really hope Snape's a vampire. ;) There are too many clues lying around.. :p Plus it's just another :swoon: thing to Rickman.

[Irys]

Okay, Hagrid says something about Harry not being pure-blood in GoF, so I'm gonna assume that Lily's family didn't have any wizard blood in it, unless it was far, far in the past, like great-great grandparents or something.

I think it's likely that Prof. Trelawney's other prediction is something to do with the Potters or Voldemort, but I really really want it to be something stupid and unimportant.;)

[Elfëa]

I started re-reading GoF last night, cause I couldn't sleep (I should have read TTT instead :o)

But I just have to find out how come I've never noticed that Cedric's dark haired! :eek: :o

:rolleyes: And I'm certainly going to pay attention to the Muggleparents thing :)

Wonder are they dead or something, one would think that Petunia would mention them at least? Unless...




could be just jealosy over Lily tho. :p

[Pilgrim Grey]

Yeah, that's a good point. Petunia doesn't seem all that old, so unless her parents were particularly old when they had her, or because of some accident, they should stiull be alive. If they haven't been mentioned... maybe my squib theory isn't as dead as I thought...;)

[Seriphus]

Well we've been told that Harry has no living relatives so I assume they are dead. Otherwise Dumbledore could have sent Harry to live with them. I think the squib theory is alive and well. Just think how important Harry's eyes seem. He got his eyes from his mother. There has to be something...

Serphy

[Pilgrim Grey]

Well, there's also the theory that Voldy is Lily's father, and she had to have gotten her eye colour somewhere ;)... (although who'd want to... uh... marry (;)) Voldemort :D)

[Seriphus]

LOL. :)

I can't remember if Tom Riddle's eye colour was ever mentioned, I'll have to check. He certainly looks a lot like Harry, but those are James' features; the black hair etc. It all seems a bit too Starwars if Lily is Voldemort's daughter.

[Elfëa]

Hmm... makes me think why movie Riddle had blue eyes... well, movie Harry had blue eyes.

:D

checks the idea in her mind...p

Voldie Lily's father? :jawdrop:

WEll, everything's possible :p

I think in the books, Riddle's eye color isn't mentioned? :confused:

[Colli]

I could have sworn Voldemort had red eyes.... :confused:

I seriously doubt Voldemort was Lily's father, anyway..

[Seriphus]

Voldemort had red eyes, yes, but what about Tom Riddle? I imagine the red eye look came with whatever he did to turn himself into the Dark Lord. (I almost see Tom as a separate character to Voldemort).

[Sheild Maiden]

I know this is going back a bit far, but on the subject of what Snape went and did that night and whether or not Lucius knew about Severus being an ex -death-eater-- The Death-eater's knew that one member had run (Karkaroff), that one had left them forever (we know to be Severus), and that he had a faithful servant at Hogwarts (which we find out is Barty Crouch), but he never mentions names, so Lucius would probally assume Snape was the faithful servant at Hogwarts. Lucius might then be willing to tell Snape certain things, because he doesn't realize that Severus is no longer on his side.

I don't think that spying was what Snape went to do that night, becuse Harry is wondering about it at the end, and to me, spying on Voldemort is the obvious thing for Snape to be doing, and J.K. never goes for the obvious.

[Elfëa]

but he never mentions names, so Lucius would probally assume Snape was the faithful servant at Hogwarts. Lucius might then be willing to tell Snape certain things, because he doesn't realize that Severus is no longer on his side.

Interesting,

I've tried to think about that, but I never succeeded making it clear how much everyone knows.
Two points - opposites:

1. Everyone present at Karkaroff's trial know Snape is has been working for Dumbledore.

2. Point one can be faked - Snape has been douple crossing - Death Eaters can assume that he has been working for Voldemort, by making Dumbledore think that he's been working for good. (and working for good/evil in secrecy - hey, we never know :p)


J.K. never goes for the obvious
So true - even if she repeats herself :p

[Pilgrim Grey]

Finally found closure for my Petunia is a squib speculation:
Taken from page 61 of PS
'Yer not from a Muggle family. If he'd known who yeh were - he's grown up knowin' yer name if his parents are wizardin' folk - you saw 'em in the Leaky Cauldron. Anyway, what does he know about it, some o' the best I ever saw were the only ones with magic in 'em in a long line o' Muggles - look at yer mum! Look what she had fer a sister!'

Although Petunia saying that her parents were proud to have a witch in the family does seem a bit odd...

[Nandor Nymph]

Many interesting theories. I came here specifically to see if there was a thread about book 5. There's so much to look forward to!!

I doubt Voldie is Lily's father, at least I hope not!

The Snape being a vampire thing is brilliant, never even thought of it!!! I hope it's true too since I have a afinity for vampires and Snape is one of my favourite characters *glee*

Anyway, here is my guess. I think that the one to die is Fudge. He's been in all the books and is a fan of Harry. Then Lucius will become the Minister of Magic.

I base this pretty much on my silly mind and this from 'what's in a name?'

There was a pope named Saint Cornelius, whose reign was marked by the controversy over the lapsed (those under persecution who had renounced Christianity). Cornelius's leniency toward the lapsed drew the support of the bishop of Carthage, St. Cyprian, but aroused the opposition of the Roman priest Novatian. He was exiled, then martyred in 253, where he was succeeded by bishop Saint Lucius. (that's worth a shiver up your spine!)

[Colli]

:D Welcome to the Muggle Informer, Nandor. :)

Another Snape-vampire fan! :clap: Huzzah!

Wow... I hadn't read that about Cornelius/Lucius.... AWESOME. Thanks for sharing!

[Pilgrim Grey]

But Lucious isn't even IN the ministry of magic... that brings up a good point though: is the ministry like the government - with elected officials and an elected Minister of Magic, or is it just like any other organisation? My guess is the latter, because Crouch was "shunted sideways into International co-operation", although the Minister could've just changed his portfolio...

[Elfëa]

Where is it stated that Lucius isn't in the Ministry? I mean, he doensn't need to work there, but he certainly must have connections...

I think the Ministry probably elects person to be the Minister, in Crouch's case the public was probably against him because how he treated his son...

That Lucius/Cornelius information was fab! :) Where have you come by to it?

(Do you know that Britain/England has had King named Lucius?)

[Sars]

Am I the only one interested in the Ron and Hermione stuff that you just KNOW is coming?

There was a pope named Saint Cornelius, whose reign was marked by the controversy over the lapsed (those under persecution who had renounced Christianity). Cornelius's leniency toward the lapsed drew the support of the bishop of Carthage, St. Cyprian, but aroused the opposition of the Roman priest Novatian. He was exiled, then martyred in 253, where he was succeeded by bishop Saint Lucius. (that's worth a shiver up your spine!)

Forboding much eh? That's quite some bit of research.

I doubt Voldie is Lily's father, at least I hope not!

If he is that is would just confirm my theory that HP is Lord Of The Rings and Star Wars with pointy hats. :D

Voldemort had red eyes, yes, but what about Tom Riddle? I imagine the red eye look came with whatever he did to turn himself into the Dark Lord. (I almost see Tom as a separate character to Voldemort).

I always imagined Voldemort looking something like The Master from Season One of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. And yes, Tom Riddle has always been a bit seperate from Voldemort in my mind. I think it's a mixture of the extreme different in age and looks. And because it's easier to associate Riddle with the pain of being an orphan that it is a Dark Lord.

[Elfëa]

Originally posted by Sars
Am I the only one interested in the Ron and Hermione stuff that you just KNOW is coming?

Hmm... everything that feels so coming is either not coming or just coming for fact - what's the point of speculation then? ;)

Nah, of course I'm interested :p But I just forget half of th stuff when I type :(

[Colli]

Originally posted by Sars
If he is that is would just confirm my theory that HP is Lord Of The Rings and Star Wars with pointy hats. :D


Once Dumbledore shows Harry the pointy hat trick, I'll be convinced. :LOL:

[Nandor Nymph]

Thanx for the welcome! :)

Yeah, I'm completely obsessed with names of things and people. Found it one some random site of names. I always imagined the Minstry of Magic being sort of like the government, and that most of the time people either get elected or get enough support to put themselves in power. I'm sure Lucious would jump at any chance toget as much power as he can. Scary thought thou if it's true!!

Hermione and Ron better get togther soon or I'll go mad.

Love vampires, if Snape is a vampire, or at least something close to it, I'll be incredibly glad.

The Master from Buffy is also very similar to what I imagine Voldemort to be.

So glad I registered!! :D T'is fun to speculate.

[Elfëa]

Originally posted by Colli
Once Dumbledore shows Harry the pointy hat trick, I'll be convinced. :LOL:

:rotfl:
:rotfl:

(hmm... wonder why CC hasnt' used that in her HP fic? ;)) :D

Edit: I might have forgotten, so, Welcome Nandor Nymph! :hug:

[Kristin]

Yes, welcome Nandor! :)

Hey, I've got a new one for everybody: What do you suppose that look of triumph on Dumbledore's face means? ;) :rolleyes:

It's always good to have new things to discuss. Like that Cornelius/Lucius thing. I hadn't heard that one before. I wonder if that's going to come up. Knowing JKR, I wouldn't be surprised if it did. (Veeerrrry interesting nonetheless.)

[Colli]

Hmm.. in truth I really don't know, but I've speculated in another thread that it has to do more with the connection with Harry and Voldie, that now because Voldemort has Harry's blood running through his veins (and Harry contains some of Voldie's powers), Voldemort is kill-able, and Harry will be the one to do it. :)

[Pilgrim Grey]

I just found something in POA that I thought was interesting: In the Shrieking Shack, a comment is made about Wormtail (I think) killing "the last Potter", which means that the Potter's are significant in some way - possibly the name was mentioned in a certain prediction...

[Sars]

There's an awful lot of mist and shadow around the area of the story that's concerned with the WHYS the WHATS and the HOWS.

WHY was Voldemort determined to kill James and Harry but not Lily?

WHAT was Professor Trelawny's first accurate prediction?

HOW exactly was Severus Snape won round from the Deatheaters?

WHAT exactly are the effects of Harry sharing blood with Voldemort?

Not to mention the even more headachy WILLS.

WILL the Minister believe Voldemort has risen again before it's too late?

WILL Wormtail fulfill the debt he owes Harry?

WILL Sirius be proved innocent?

WILL the Deatheaters in Azkaban be freed?

WILL the younger generation in Slytherin be loyal to Voldemort?

WILL more people die? (Although I think that's a given)

[Elfëa]

Add to Sars:

Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry in the first place?

[Seriphus]

WHY was Voldemort determined to kill James and Harry but not Lily? I can only think that it is to do with having Potter blood. It can't be as simple as a prediction that 'a Potter will defeat Voldemort', as Lily was a Potter by name. So it must surely be something that Harry has inherited solely from his father e.g. the Heir of Gryffindor (although this example seems too obvious).
Out of all the Whys and Hows this one seems like it should be the most easy to answer, but we just don't have enough information.
Arggh!!Need book 5 now!


Serphy

[Elfëa]

Originally posted by Seriphus
I can only think that it is to do with having Potter blood. It can't be as simple as a prediction that 'a Potter will defeat Voldemort', as Lily was a Potter by name. So it must surely be something that Harry has inherited solely from his father e.g. the Heir of Gryffindor (although this example seems too obvious).
Out of all the Whys and Hows this one seems like it should be the most easy to answer, but we just don't have enough information.


It seems so obvious - and I wouldn't think JKR goes for bloodline explanation, because the point she has mostly proven is that where you come from doesn't matter but who you are. :) (Did anyone understand what I'm trying to say? Headache's getting on the way...:()
It could be Potter by Blood? But then again, it's the blood line explanation which I don't prefer...
Besides, everytime Harry has met Voldemort, he doesn't mention anything - even when he keeps his looooong talks (that guy really loves his own voice... I bet that's how he'll be defeated ;))

[Kristin]

Originally posted by Elfëa
I wouldn't think JKR goes for bloodline explanation, because the point she has mostly proven is that where you come from doesn't matter but who you are. :)

Ooh! Good point! :clap: I hadn't thought of that, but I think you're exactly right. It would be a bit weird for JKR to make Harry special because of some bloodline/ancestry when she has made such a point about how that's not important.

Maybe Harry's going to bring balance to the force... ;)

[Pilgrim Grey]

That means that Neville's going to defeat Voldy! It doesn't matter who you are, it's what you become - that fits Neville to a T!

[Seriphus]

It seems so obvious - and I wouldn't think JKR goes for bloodline explanation, because the point she has mostly proven is that where you come from doesn't matter but who you are. Yeah, that's very true. I was thinking along the lines of the one case where bloodline has been important- Tom Riddle the heir of Slytherin. But I'd much rather Harry's importance wasn't down to his inheritance. I'm just struggling to find explanations.


Serphy

[Elfëa]

Sigh.

She really keeps the explanations to herself...

Can't we have book 5 already?? :( :( :(

[Smeagol]

Cornelius dying? Hadn't thought of that one before. For some reason it doesn't work for me...didn't Rowling say that it was a painful death to write? I can't see anybody getting too worked up over killing the guy, he's just too doofy to die.......I still think it's Hagrid....... :(


Neville defeating Voldemort.........that would be really cool!!!

[Seriphus]

I'm begining to think it might be Hagrid too.
You never know, though. Fudge may become really likeable in book 5.:) Then again...

[Smeagol]

...well, regardless, I'm bracing myself for the worst!!!


....I still can't get that image of Neville beating Voldy! That would be beyond awesome! though, Harry would probably have to be dead first........

[Colli]

I'd honestly hate for Neville to beat Voldy...



but Smeagol, Harry can die saving Snape's life, if that helps your wish any. :D

[Nandor Nymph]

Finally my computer is back!!!

So many questions to be answered.....book 5 could not come any slower.

Yeah, my Fudge thing is a result of me thinking too much. Hagrid was also my first prediction. I wouldn't be surprised if it were him...although would be bloody well heart broken. Ugh...no not Hagrid!!!

I don't think I'd like it my either if Neville beat Voldie. Not sure why, I would rather Ron of Hermione beat him.

I wish Ron was the heir to Gryffindor! I've also thought of this, although have no idea why, just a random thought.

[Pilgrim Grey]

I've thought of Ron being the heir of Gryffindor too, just to demonstrate of JKR's point that you may be born well of or whatever, but that doesn't count for anything. The opposite would work in this case - Ron wasn't born well off, but then he could end up being the heir of Gryffindor! But thinking about it, it'd be too messy to be true - with all of Ron's brothers (and Ginny) there'd be, what, seven heirs?

[Elfëa]

Just came to think that no one's thought (at least lately) it could be Neville who dies in OotP.........

:rolleyes:

Ron couldn't be the heir unless 1) he's not really a Weasley 2)all his older siblings die...
and we wouldn't want that, would we? :eek:

[Colli]

But Elfea, no one's gonna care if Neville dies... ;)

[Elfëa]

Except Harry...

:p

and me... ;) :o

[Nandor Nymph]

Awwwww...no I wouldn't want Neeville to die, poor kid.

Yeah, the Ron being the heir to Gryffindor would be way too messy, I just like to think it's possible.

We're not even sure an heir to Gryffindor will be mentioned do we?

I hate not knowing anything!!!!

[ValaSarah]

Ron as the heir of Gryffindor:

Well, there would have to be alot of death...(make those Death Eaters happy!) for Ron to take over, and not any of his older brothers. Perhaps that's why the Weasley's had so many Kids...to ensure the heir was not killed off (easily)?

Of course, I'm of a belief that somehow Harry has been "Chosen" as the Heir of Gryffindor. Not that he inherited it through his bloodline, because that goes opposite from what JKR seems to be making a strong point for - that it doesn't matter what family you are from or what your parents were like, it's the individual that makes themselves great.

I know in CoS Dumbledore stated that only a "true Gryffindor" could pull a sword out of the sorting hat. Sorta eludes(sp?) to a potential for more of that sort of action in the future. Perhaps it is Harry's personality that makes him a true Gryffindor, and not his bloodline?


Just my thoughts.

~Vala

[Pilgrim Grey]

I don't think an heir of Gryffindor, even one touched by Voldemort, would have been possibly put into Slytherin...

[Colli]

But was Harry ever really almost put into Slytherin? Sure, the Sorting Hat said he would've done well in Slytherin, but that doesn't mean it almost put Harry in there. Harry's choice was always "not Slytherin"... that wasn't a decision the he came to after the Hat had decided. I don't think I make sense.

... After 10 minutes of trying to clarify my point, I give up. New topic.



It's my opinion that the people that fight/disagree the most are the people that are the most alike. Is it possible that, besides the whole Pureblood/Mudblood thing, Godric Gryffindor and Salazar Slytherin weren't that different?

[Elfëa]

People who are alike but have differing opinions fight the worst. At least that's what I can say from experience... :( :) :p

So not only Salazar/Godric, but also Harry/Draco (or scarier Draco/Ron). And Mr.Weasley/Mr.Malfoy would be rather similar. And when you look at the characteristics of Harry and Draco they are rather similar opposites - dark and fair, yet similar in figure and position. :D

hmm... Voldemort/Dumbledore? or Harry/Voldemort?
Harry doesn't hate Voldemort in that kind of way. He hates Voldemort for killing his parents. Dumbledore on the other had is the opposite of Voldemort at least...

hmmm... who else? I like pairing things ;)

Hermione/Millicent Bullstrode? Hermione/Pansy Parkinson

Herm&Ron/Crabbe&Goyle... :p

[Monkfish]

I think my "spoiler" at the begining of the thread is more accurate than I first beleived...............

[Pilgrim Grey]

Which one? You gave a couple...

[Elfëa]

Okay

is utterly :confused:


you're talking about the discussion between me and Colli? ;)

Okay. I can be sirious sometimes...

[Peregrinning Took]

Okey dokey, this might have already been mentioned somewhere in this thread (but I'm too lazy to go back and read through all *4* pages of posts ^.~), so I'll just post this:

Arabella Figg (of the "old crowd") is Harry's neighbor on Privet Drive....Cause, you know, that makes sense...O.x Also, in GoF, they mention that the tents smelled like Mrs. Figg's house, which is an OBVIOUS case of foreshadowing...

If this has already been mentioned, please disregard all above. :o

[Elfëa]

It's been mentioned, but it's nice to repeat something cause loads of topics go around without any real discussion.

So, we know this, but what can we interpret from it? It's after midnight here, so I'm not coming up with any good theories... :o

[Peregrinning Took]

Originally posted by Pilgrim Grey
Nah, I reckon it's cool that Harry has to stay with the Dursley's, but nobody except Dumbledore knows why... it makes it seem like they actually have a purpose and are special or something, I'm sure that they'd all love that :D

OOOOK, now I'm going back and rereading everything....This quote is from the first page, I just wanted to post my response...Don't ask me why...O_o

They DO have a purpose, actually!!!
From GoF:
"...Dumbledore invoked an ancient magic, to ensure the boy's protection as long as he is in his relations' care. Not even I can touch him there..." ~Voldemore

Again, this might have been posted somewhere else in here, but do I look like I care??? *looks like she doesn't care*

[Elfëa]

Yes - but have we actually thought what kind of living envinroment Dumbledore chose for Harry?

He has no one to turn to, he won't seriosly learn to turn on anyone but himself. Yes, he won't be spoiled by his fame, but what is so horrid that he cannot live in a loving family?

I'm not really putting my words nicely tonight.

somehow the world of Harry Potter is not that beautiful and happy - if nothing it's sinister and dark.

Death Eaters torturing with no reason, Voldemort coming for to kill a baby boy with no given reason...

Dark. Sinister.

how easily we forget and turn to the parodies and paragraphs that make us laugh.

okay... I sound rather stupid, don't I? ;)

[Peregrinning Took]

WHY was Voldemort determined to kill James and Harry but not Lily?

Voldie's a direct heir of Slytherin, wasn't he? And since Salazar "Kill-the-Mudbloods" Slytherin was racist, why should he care about a Muggle born???

EDIT: Just thought of something else....Heh, this kind of ties into what Dumbledore said about how it's important about what you become, not how you're born (or who you're born to...Wait, that doesn't sound quite right....) Anywho, maybe Voldie's just prejudiced?

((Don't feel stupid, Elfëa, I'm the one posting totally redundant messages... :o ))

[Monkfish]

The second.

MARK MY WORDS!!!....................:jawdrop:

[Elfëa]

And how dreadful that makes the world.
In imagine worlds, fantasy worlds the evil is to be win - but I think the world where Harry lives that won't be possible.

So, Voldie's prejusticed and wants people down for no good reason. And that kind of prejustice is almost impossible to win except by coming down his level - being prejusticed and kill him.

You cannot really conquer evil, can you?

[Pilgrim Grey]

I just had a thought: What if Dumbledore was the heir of Gryffindor? I don't remember reading any speculation on this before, but is it possible? Dumbledore has Fawkes - a red and gold phoenix (Gryffindor colours), and he kept Godric's sword (shouldn't he have given it to Harry if HE was the heir of Gryffindor?). And it also makes sense - Sirius told Dumbledore that he changed secet-keepers, which Dumbledore had a right to know because the Potter's were staying in his ancestoral home - Godric's Hollow...

What d'you think?

[lizz]

I dont think you are right there PG.
I actually like the thought of Dumbledore being Griffindors heir. But IMO more points towards Harry being the heir.

Sirius/Dumbledore
Sirius never told him about the changing of the Potters secret keeper because if Dumbeldore knew that sirius wouldnt have gone to Azkaban without a trial. Dumbledore could have spoken up for him.

Potters/Dumbledore
But I´d like if there was some close link between the Potters and Dumbledore. He has James invisible cloak, he decides about Harrys future. Nice thought that Godric Hollow really belonged to Dumbledore... But maybe its just that the worked together against Voldemort.

Generally I´d like to know more about the heir thing. I guess it could be about Voldie being Slytherins Heir and Harry being Gryffindors heir. so I´d like to know what was between Slytherin and Gryffindor. why are they enemies. Why is it so important? Any guesses? Why especially Gryffindor and not Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw?

[Elfëa]

Why do we need the Heirs at all?

I somehow don't believe in the Heir theory - first it's too obvious, second it's against the attitude... "where you come from does not matter..."

I'd say that it's more possible for Dumbledore to be the Heir of Gryffindor than Harry - and that would make much more interesting twist than if Harry were the Heir.

Why especially Gryffindor and not Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw?

Why? Why? Why?

We need the next book... but I'm scared to see with the 7th in the end how many unanswered questions we still have..

[lizz]

I personally do not need a heir theory, but it would make sense form Voldemorts PoV. For me what Rawling says is it is important what you choose to be not what you are. And she is absolutly rioght there.
But Voldemort is pretty rassistic and he wants to gain power. I doubt he only wants to kill harry because he couldnt and as a revenge because he lost his powers during the try. Why make such an effort about Harry and kill unfortunate bystanders just like that. If it was the revenge Dumbledore could have told Harry before. Voldemorts reasons need not be "true", its enough if he believes in them. And so the heir theory seems probable.

[Colli]

so I´d like to know what was between Slytherin and Gryffindor. why are they enemies. Why is it so important? Any guesses? Why especially Gryffindor and not Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw?
I think it goes back to the foundation of the school, to the disagreement between Godric and Salazar. They were the two that felt the strongest about Muggle-born wizards in the school, they were the two that argued, the argument that led to Salazar leaving. In real life, those kind of rivalries last for AGES, until finally both sides don't really know why they hate each other. (i.e. Capulet and Montague, Hatfields and McCoys) Plus Godric and Salazar were the boys ;)

Dumbledore keeping the sword might be a Elrond/Aragorn type thing.. plus what's Harry gonna do with a sword at school and at the Dursleys? "Hey Dudley!" :LOL:


As for the heir theory, I think it's unwise to say whether you like it or not before you hear JKR's version. (If it's coming) She has the talent and ability to make things come across much better than we could anticipate, and as for the "What you become, not where you come from" feeling to the story, she's not saying Harry's going to be great just because he's (hypothetically) Gryf's heir. Harry's already great because of who he is. Granted, he's growing as a hero all on his own merit, but where he has come from has influenced his life.

[Nandor Nymph]

I was just thinking that maybe the Elrond/Aragorn keeping the sword type of deal isn't so far fetched..."Return of the Gryffindors" :D Just to say that it's possible that Dumbledore is looking out for the Heir of Gyffindor, although Dumbledore being the heir is also an interesting speculation.

I swear I am going to go insane if we don't get some answers soon.....June 21st is a veeeeery long time :( ;)
Do you think JK would really leave anything unanswered!!! :eek: I hope not!

[Bleu Unicorn]

Originally posted by Nandor Nymph
Do you think JK would really leave anything unanswered!!! :eek: I hope not!
Well, if she does answer everything (and boy that's a lot to answer - even in a book that's 1/3 or whatever times longer), I'm sure she'll just create more for us to wonder about. Isn't that how every other book has been so far? :D

[Colli]

New questions to ponder over for the next 3 years? I can deal with those. :D

I just can't deal with the SAME OLD QUESTIONS any longer!

[Elfëa]

I just can't deal with the SAME OLD QUESTIONS any longer!

Yeah, it's kinda "everything has been said already..."

That's why I'm turning so much to fanfiction. :p

[Monkfish]

NEED NEW BOOK NOW!!!

(sorry for sounding a bit caveman)

[Cedric]

Hey people, don't know if anyone's posted this, haven't been reading much, so I'll just post it anyway :)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/043935806X.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

People are saying this is the U.S. cover of the book, which I don't think is true. Looks more to me like a poster. Why do I say this you're asking yourself? Well, mainly because it has the date printed on it, which I don't think the book would have :)

-Cedric

[Bleu Unicorn]

It's not the cover - it's just a little like ad thingy proclaiming the book's arrival - the US cover won't be released probably for at least a month or two, since I think they are still designing it.

[Elfëa]

The quote on the front is like the begining from any fanfic...

I've heard speculations it might be Draco... after Harry has gently thrown him out of his room, that is :p ;)

[Lord Schaudt]

for me no matter how long the book is it will take me 2 days tops,

i have read the books 1-3 all in one day (not all in a day but on one day per book)

book for which came to me at 7:30 at night took(techniaccly) 2 days but i finshed it the day after it was released

my hopes are three days for 5

[Peregrinning Took]

I got my copy of book 4 at 1am on July 8th, 2000. :D I would've gotten it earlier, but I had to stand in line or an hour. I got home that night and read until 3am, then I got up and 7am and read until noon...Then I had lunch, and read until dinner...Then after dinner I read until 1am again and finished the book 24hrs after I started. Now *THAT'S* what I call committment. :D

I found an interesting fanfic...Obviously someone's own rendition about what OoF should be about.

Click here (http://hjp.unas.cz/chapter1.htm)

[Seriphus]

:rolleyes: It took me a week to read book 4, I'm quite a slow reader. I definitely want to take my time with book 5 and savour every moment. After all I've only got three more experiences of reading an HP book for the first time. I'm not sure if I'll even get OoTP on it's release date. Depends whether the shops still have copies left once we get to the daylight hours. :p

[Colli]

Don't forget fanfic can be discussed in the fan fiction thread in the Leaky Cauldron. :)


Just read that the American version of OotP is gonna be 896 pages... which means smaller print! :clap: (And hopefully smaller margins)

[Elfëa]

Peregrin - there's loads of book 5 fanfiction around :p

I still have no idea where I'll be when the book comes out and so on... but now I at least should have a place to say! (YAY!) :D

I want it now....

[Lord Schaudt]

ARGH why must they wait till June!!@!!

why not now!@!

[Loopy Loupie]

I made a vow (which I didn't stick to but thats not the point) when I first read GoF to read the book slowly and try to guess the end and spot the clues, it took me about a week to read, and I'm not that slow a reader. I intend to do it properly for OotP.

Perhaps you lot should too, it is more fun that way and makes it last longer.

[Seriphus]

Loopy that's exactly what I intend on doing. I just hope there's not a load of spoilers around once everyone else has done their speed-reading. :p

[Elfëa]

I have good intention to do what you've said, but I'm afraid that I'll just READ READ READ FAST FAST FAST... you know what I mean :D :o

[Chilin]

I found this wed site. It contains tons of rumors!
http://www.darkmark.com/c.c?l=book5&s=books&t=Book%205

[Terry]

Thanks for the link, Chilin. You've given me a valuable clue....I'm heading back to the betting thread!

[Pilgrim Grey]

I like the idea of Crookshanks being Mrs. Figg in animagus form, although it doesn't seem likely (doesn't the petshop owner say something about Crookshanks being there for ages?)

[Loopy Loupie]

Must say I agree with Pilgrim Grey on that one, and going through the list there are others that can't be true.

Like Crookshanks being Lily in animagus form, JKR has said we will not see a living James and Lily, so I assume this means that yes she did die and no magic cannot bring people back from the dead.

I also don't think we will see her ghost when the above was stated it was before book 4 and I think she was referring to that.

[Moxie]

...not to mention that Lily or Mrs. Figg would have to have performed an extra-special bit of Transfiguration considering that Crookshanks is a male cat...

[Terry]

So true, Moxie. Let's hope Rowling remembered that bit. Would be a bit embarrassing, I think.

[angleet]

Mrs. Figg is not Crookshanks, for many reasons but the one above is certainly a good one. Crookshanks is probably at least part kneazel.

Is it June yet?

[Colli]

Nope, but there are only 100 days left. :D

[lithorose]

And the DVD's out next month? Only one month:D



Nothing to add to the topic. I had a thought yesterday but it left too fast for me to post:(

[owl]

I like the idea of Crookshanks being Mrs. Figg in animagus form, although it doesn't seem likely (doesn't the petshop owner say something about Crookshanks being there for ages?)

;)
Pilgrim Grey,so do i, I like the idea too but I think it could be someone we haven't heard of yet but perhaps will do in the future. I must admit Mrs. Figg probably can turn into something and it would probably be a cat.

[angleet]

There are several problems with the 'Mrs. Figg is Crookshanks' theory, but the biggest one is that Crookshanks is a MALE CAT.

If Mrs. Figg is a registered animagus, Hermione would have seen it when she looked up the registry. The registry includes markings, so it probably would have mentioned if it was a change in gender :p

[xKatiexBellx]

Rumor is Miss Figg is Crookshanks, I don't think so, I have a feeling that Colin Creevy might die, but i'm wondering if maybe his brother was a fan as well? So far I think either Colin Creevy, Ginny (un-mostlikely, I have a feeling she will date Harry, Ron dies and all, Harry could be supportive on her side) or Dobby (mind he's a house-elf) oh well, im saving up for the books, I'll have to find out!

[Elfëa]

Originally posted by angleet
If Mrs. Figg is a registered animagus, Hermione would have seen it when she looked up the registry. The registry includes markings, so it probably would have mentioned if it was a change in gender :p

But why would Hermione pay attention to Mrs. Figg?

~El,

who doesn't believe Mrs. Figg's animagus...

[glaelia]

and also she could very well be an unregistered animagus... i mean... there's already nearly as many unregistered ones in the books as there are registered ones that hermione found......


;)



/me secretly wants her cat to play crookshanks

crookshanks/simba (http://www.geocities.com/glaelia/simba)


well okay... it isn't a secret.....

[Elfëa]

Mwahaha... you keeping secrets? ;)

Somehow, it'd be really really worn and strenched if Mrs. Figg turns out to be Animagus... Unless JKR can pull it out in some amazing way, but I doubt. ;)

[glaelia]

oh i doubt it'll happen too, too cliched... not jkr at all... but i'm just commenting that it could happen sweetie ;)

[angleet]

Originally posted by Elfëa
But why would Hermione pay attention to Mrs. Figg?

~El,

who doesn't believe Mrs. Figg's animagus...

She wouldn't pay attention to Mrs. Figg, but she would pay attention if the description of the animal form was a dead ringer for Crookshanks.

She tends to be observant...most of the time :)

[Elfëa]

yes, I didn't remember that...

hmm... I don't think Mrs. Figg would be friends with Sirius either ;)

But, how about Mrs. Norris???? ;) :p

[ElfTBD]

?Zd®Jˆis at The Leaky Cauldron and I thought I'd share....HUGE Spoilers!!!!!!!!! (and a Go Ron!):

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/bookfivesummary.html

(I hope I put this inthe right place, btw...you can all trout me or whatever later if I didn't...)

They have the whole story about it on their front page and have pictures to prove the source, which is none other than the Scholastic catalog....so, I know I'm way excited....:):):):)

[Colli]

Thanks, ElfTBd!

Ron as Gryffindor keeper? Please excuse me while I scream NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

A Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher with a personality like poisoned honey
Well I guess that rules Mrs Figg out. Because Harry knows her, and if she truly is a member of the old gang.. she's surely not going to be such a sour person.. even though Snape is. ;)

And who can't wait for Hermione stressing out about her OWLs? :rolleyes:

Harry finds depth and strength in his friends, beyond what even he knew; boundless loyalty, and unbearable sacrifice.
Unbearable sacrifice? As in... losing a friend that was close to you? Hagrid gets involved with the giants? Maybe? I don't like where this is going. ;)

C'est la vie (hey.. I know French! ;)). I'm excited anyway :D

[lithorose]

So there may be something to those Snape/DADA teacher rumors after all? Arggh! Just enough to tease us more! How many more months? Thanks, Elf TBD!:clap:

[Colli]

lithorose:
You mean rumors that Snape IS the DADA teacher, or rumors that Snape hooks up with the DADA teacher? I guess sour personalities would mesh interestingly. ;) Snape of course isn't the DADA teacher because Rowling said it would be a female this year. :)

72 days!!!! Goodness, it was just 100 like, yesterday!!

[lithorose]

That he hooks up with her. Haven't heard the other one. Would be really interesting you know. Maybe JKR lied?

[StarGazr]

If the rumors about Snape and the DADA professor are true... then we seriously need to invest in a sound proof room for Colli... all that swooning she'll go through is bound to make a lot of noise... thud! haha ;)

[Colli]

Star:

Not to mention yelling at the top of my lungs if she breaks his heart! I hadn't actually heard about him hooking up with the DADA teacher

[Fleurdelacour]

Ooh, I read that in the newspaper over the shoulder of the bloke infront of me on the bus! I nearly wetmyself in excitement!!! :D


It also said in the article, that "Harry has to deal with his hopless best friend Ron Weasley as the Gryffindor keeper! HOPLESS! MY RON!? :mad:

lol mother, you'd keel over ;)



I want to scream in excitement! EEEEEEEKKKK!!! :D

Oh and another thing I heard on the radio this morning! ;) :D

Well, Robbie Colthane said he wants Hagrid to die, being crushed by Britney Spears at the awful band Atomic Kitten lol :D

[Colli]

Did anyone catch SNL last night? I missed it, but apparently during the Weekend Update Jimmy Fallon made mention of the Harry Potter, saying that OotP's print run of 8.5 million books would merit the sixth book the title: "Harry Potter and the End of Trees."

Jimmy is adorable, I crack up THINKING about him saying that. ;) :LOL:

[Peregrinning Took]

Originally posted by Colli
You mean rumors that Snape IS the DADA teacher, or rumors that Snape hooks up with the DADA teacher? I guess sour personalities would mesh interestingly. Snape of course isn't the DADA teacher because Rowling said it would be a female this year.

You mean Hogwarts teachers have PERSONAL LIVES OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL, TOO??? :eek:

[Elfëa]

Originally posted by Colli
Well I guess that rules Mrs Figg out. Because Harry knows her, and if she truly is a member of the old gang.. she's surely not going to be such a sour person.. even though Snape is. ;)

Hmm... I dont' think so actually - it might mean liking poisoned honey in a dublicated sense - she might end up eating some and be poisoned? I think it's still going to be Mrs Figg... ;)

The unbearable sacrifice is so going to make me cry! :eek:

[Pilgrim Grey]

RE: The 'poisoned honey' thing: It could mean Mrs Figg, because Harry said that she never liked him (something like that, I don't have mycopy of PS with me)...

[Athelas]

This is a close-up of a standee advertising OOTP

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2003/5/hp5-stand-zoom.jpg

Who are these people?

I think, from L to R:


A Weasley
Mundungus Fletcher
and Mad-Eye Moody (well THAT one's easy!)

I have no real basis for the first 2, but I'd love to read what you all think.

(Since it is so hard to wait until June 21, Pointless speculation keeps me going;) )

[Fleurdelacour]

The middle one looks who I always imagined Sirius, just a tad bit older! :)

The one on the far left looks like a younger Gareth Gates ;)

[Athelas]

Ay, I think the middle one looks just a bit too old to be Sirius or Remus.

When trying to figure out who they are, I was also wondering who it would make sense to put in a trio? Just 3 important characters? or 3 who are working together? or....?

[lithorose]

Who's the young one? A new character perhaps?

[Kristin]

Wow! I have absolutely no idea who the first two are! :confused: (Of course the third one is easy.)

The guy in the middle especially mystifies me. He looks really tired ... or bored.

[Peregrinning Took]

The one on the far left is probably an older student that Harry just meets in his 5th year--You know, the spiky hair...The vaguely bored look...Definitely a student.

The one in the middle looks like Thomas Jefferson...? Possibly Mundungus Fletcher. Or he could be Lupin (he's never been illustrated before, as far as I can tell) although he looks a bit old. And the far right dude is obviously Mad-Eye.